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A little something I engineered. (Read 43735 times)
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Reply #105 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 5:51am
 


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My match with Satian looks very close but mostly my way...  Yet I lost.
 
Is that 'Satian's perfect strike makes K'rahl trip over himself' one of those instant winners?
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Reply #106 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 6:23am
 


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Am I realy that bad if I'm doing all the challenging and no one challenges me?
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Reply #107 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 6:32am
 


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Ta'pez.
 
Stop saying I love tribbles it is just stupid and annoying.  In no way is it funny.  I am sick of it.
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Reply #108 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 10:56am
 




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The only real problem I have now is finding matches I've challenged people too when they've been accepted, did you think more on an option to be emailed when a challenge is done? Just a one liner maybe with a link to the completed match?
 
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Reply #109 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 3:12pm
 


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Quote from Ta`pez on Nov 20th, 2005, 1:00am:
ta'pez won vs khoal with a batleth

lost vs khoal with the meQleth



whats the difference

 
There is no difference right now.  Note that Khoal got more glory... that's because you should beat him most every time.  Seeing that Khoal won, he immediately rechallenged because it was unlikely result.
 
In the current implementation, Great Honor against someone with the strength bonus is riskier.  Again, as soon as someone starts resting, they are close to losing.  Great Honor means backing off after every hit... this gives the weaker fighter a chance to widdle you down and then it becomes whoever gets the critical hit first.  In the meqleH match, he just got the strong hit first.  The stength bonus just help him widdle you down faster.  I am thinking of reducing it for sparring.
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Reply #110 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 3:20pm
 


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Quote from K`rahl on Nov 20th, 2005, 5:51am:
My match with Satian looks very close but mostly my way... Yet I lost.

Is that 'Satian's perfect strike makes K'rahl trip over himself' one of those instant winners?

 
 
You were winning 'on points' and if you note, he got more glory because you should win most of the time.  The 'perfect strike makes the other trip over himself' means one fighter got a critical hit and ther other got a critical miss on the block.  A 'perfect strike slips past the defenses' means a critical hit versus a succesful block, but not a critical succesful block... if that makes sense.  All the ones about the blocks being better then the attacks mean a critical success on the block and just a simple hit or a miss on the attack. The damage varries of course.
 
The combination here wasn't an instant win but at that point, both of you were tired.  The number of breaks shows you that you had him ready to lose many more times but he got a strong hit at a point where you were tired.
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Reply #111 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 3:30pm
 


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Quote from K`rahl on Nov 20th, 2005, 6:32am:
Ta'pez.

Stop saying I love tribbles it is just stupid and annoying. In no way is it funny. I am sick of it.

 
K’rahl,  
 
It was meant in jest – if you cannot take some ooc sillyness then that’s fine – after all it is a challege. Of all people you should appreciate that.  There’s also a PM button on here if it really bothered you  
 
A good thing btw would be able to leave a comment after the battle – but that rather minor.  
 
 
In regards to the K’rahl vs Saitain  
 
I am still surprised by the fact that a stronger race – i.e a Vulcan would be so much better @ this. For example – could a stronger Vulcan match the skill of a weaker klingon who has been reared with a blade in his hand.  
 
That is one of those things that just doesn’t sitt with me well. When I initially entered Ta’pez I said that he was not at the skill of the Dahar master – the reasoning for that was a) he was young  
b) he had spent some time outside of the empire  
c) it didn’t fit within his story
 
 
Shouldn’t a dahar master be somebody older – i.e somebody in his 50 or 60 (which is relatively mature for a klingon – rather then say somebody who is of K’hares or Ta’pez age.  I mean if you look at the age – that would mean something.  
 
Perhaps limits on skill in age can be there – or perhaps a Dahar master cannot be younger then 20 – so they would get a skill in fighting yet a disadvantage in stamina or strength.  
 
Ultimatly K’rahl should be stronger then Ta’pez because of the fact that he is a mongrel of finer build then the pure klingon. K’Hare should be stronger then both and Ta’pez should be quiecker then both. So it would say that K’Hare has stronger stamina but Ta’pez is quicker.  
 
Then there is the matter of batleth vs batleth  and batleth vs meQleth. You would expect that the blades would have different characteristics – perhaps even a weight and strength requirement.  
 
Perhaps certain moves can be done only in a certain way. A very skill full attack with a batleth vs batleth might require speed where as a meQleth vs batleth battle might be different due to the meQleth’s strengths in speed and agility vs the heavier and less attractive batleth.  
 
Also perhaps to balance things out – people who are more experienced have higher standards or requirements to a dahar master is much less likely to get a critical yet the critical that he does get is very deadly.  
 
Plus perhaps getting a critical would depend on the skill of the other player-  i.e if it’s a noob then the dahar master would do that easily – and if it’s a worf then it would be much much more unlikely.  
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Reply #112 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 3:32pm
 


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Quote from K`Hare totlh on Nov 20th, 2005, 3:12pm:
Quote from Ta`pez on Nov 20th, 2005, 1:00am:
ta'pez won vs khoal with a batleth

lost vs khoal with the meQleth



whats the difference


There is no difference right now. Note that Khoal got more glory... that's because you should beat him most every time. Seeing that Khoal won, he immediately rechallenged because it was unlikely result.

In the current implementation, Great Honor against someone with the strength bonus is riskier. Again, as soon as someone starts resting, they are close to losing. Great Honor means backing off after every hit... this gives the weaker fighter a chance to widdle you down and then it becomes whoever gets the critical hit first. In the meqleH match, he just got the strong hit first. The stength bonus just help him widdle you down faster. I am thinking of reducing it for sparring.

 
 
in a meQ leth match that should not be the case
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Reply #113 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 5:06pm
 


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Well first thing...  I would like to know where the idea that Vulcans are stronger than klingons comes from.    From what I learned a while back, they where of almost equal strength, but the Vulcans are just faster because they are built to be able to move in higher gravity.
 
Another thing.  There is a definition for Dahar Master Iv'e know it for a while.  I have found a definition online that fits what i already knew here...
 
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dahar_Master
 
Someone who is a Dahar Master is someone who has a Legendary Status, this is something I would assume has to be accumulated over a long time of battles, etc and geing told stories of etc.  So a Dahar Master, would more than likely be someone of advanced age who has been considered a great warrior for many years.  In some way you could say that the Greatest Dahar Master of all the Klingons is Kahless LOL
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Reply #114 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 5:28pm
 


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i dont see how anybody here including K'hare and K'rahl are dahar masters
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Reply #115 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 6:45pm
 


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I've repeatedly told you in IMs that I'm sick of the stupidity of calling me a Tribble Lover, etc.  I've asked you politely many times to stop both this and the constant OOC stiring about K'rahl/Q'olavraH/ K'Hare.
 
You just ignore my requests.  So why you think I should appreciate you continually doing it is lost on me.
 
And Its OK to pass comment in public about things that are said in public as long as its not offensively worded.  I did not type any of the words I've said out loud about this sort of thing.
 
Once upon a time it was funny, the time past - at least a year ago.
 
Fair game for comment is the superior attitude of K'rahl.  The way he thinks the p'Dra'on are elite.  The way his self confidence and such can make him blind to things around him.  His honour, that is fair game between all Klingons especially when your view on honour and mine are pretty much polar opposites.  In fact you ought to be able to get endless jokes and jibes out of that kind of thing.
 
So, in public, I repeat my polite request.  Stop it.
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Reply #116 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 6:49pm
 


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Quote from Ta`pez on Nov 20th, 2005, 5:28pm:
i dont see how anybody here including K'hare and K'rahl are dahar masters

And no one here is.
 
K'Hare won't accept someone claiming they are a Dahar Master I don't think.
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Reply #117 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 6:56pm
 


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[quote author=Ta`pez link=1131786825/105#111 date=1132500655]Quote from K`rahl on Nov 20th, 2005, 6:32am:
Ultimatly K’rahl should be stronger then Ta’pez because of the fact that he is a mongrel of finer build then the pure klingon. K’Hare should be stronger then both and Ta’pez should be quiecker then both. So it would say that K’Hare has stronger stamina but Ta’pez is quicker.

 
Actually its cannon that K'rahl is extremely quick for someone of his size.  Q'olavraH is alarmingly quick.  So I'm not sure that just through our race types you are quicker.  Of course Ta'pez is smaller than K'rahl anyway so since K'rahl is 'extremely quick for someone of his size' perhaps that cancels the speed out and validates your comment.
 
No question checked reaction speed - etc...
 
More headaches for the CO and Refs...
 
More variables more fun though.
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Reply #118 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 6:59pm
 


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Quote from K`Hare totlh on Nov 20th, 2005, 3:20pm:
Quote from K`rahl on Nov 20th, 2005, 5:51am:
My match with Satian looks very close but mostly my way...  Yet I lost.

Is that 'Satian's perfect strike makes K'rahl trip over himself' one of those instant winners?



You were winning 'on points' and if you note, he got more glory because you should win most of the time.  The 'perfect strike makes the other trip over himself' means one fighter got a critical hit and ther other got a critical miss on the block.  A 'perfect strike slips past the defenses' means a critical hit versus a succesful block, but not a critical succesful block... if that makes sense.  All the ones about the blocks being better then the attacks mean a critical success on the block and just a simple hit or a miss on the attack. The damage varries of course.

The combination here wasn't an instant win but at that point, both of you were tired.  The number of breaks shows you that you had him ready to lose many more times but he got a strong hit at a point where you were tired.

Cool, cheers.  I wasn't sure if the word variations were seperate things.  Now I know they are combinations, which is good.  Should be able to 'read' the other meanings now with the example you've put.
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Reply #119 - on: Nov 20th, 2005, 9:38pm
 


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Quote from Kral on Nov 20th, 2005, 5:06pm:
Well first thing... I would like to know where the idea that Vulcans are stronger than klingons comes from. From what I learned a while back, they where of almost equal strength, but the Vulcans are just faster because they are built to be able to move in higher gravity.

 
Humans are standard strength.  Betazeds, and all the other head jobs are standard strength.  Ferengi are probably weaker, but probably capible of standard strength if trained.
 
Klingons are stronger than humans but not grossly so.   Klingons are just bigger so naturally they are a little stronger, on average.  They probably have slightly better muscle mass from breeding for strength and the culture encourages strength training.  Basically, most Klingons are Arnold size.  But on screen evidence suggests they are not significantly stronger.  There stamina should be much better though.
 
It is canon that Vulcans and therefore Romulans are noticably stronger.  Not just stronger one on one, but as a species, measureably stronger.  Part of that has to do with Spock being a superman in TOS.  But it is canon and accepted.
 
I would think that Andorians should be somewhat stronger than humans, and lighter.  I'd make Tellerites have increased stamina... I just don't want to start trying to work this out for every species.  Maybe over time this can be better argued.  I have considered getting the latest Trek RPG race book and seeing that that says.
 
But, all this side, in the current implementation, only the Vulcan level strength difference matters.  Maybe later I will improve this and make it more fine tuned.
 
As to this making Vulcans better than Klingons at sparring... well, isn't Data, potentially, the best betleH fighter there is?  With his speed and strength, who could match him.  Once he studies the styles, he would be unstopable.  But its part of his race bonus.  In the Shatner books, Kirk beats Worf in a betleH combat. (Yeah, annoyed me too.)  But remember, you aren't talking about any Vulcan picking up a betleH and beating Klingons.  (How many times did we see Kira beat up a Klingon in hand-to-hand?)  You are talking about a Vulcan, trained in Klingon styles, and having a strength advantage, beating Klingons.  A Science Officer like Spock, fighting ta'pez will lose because his fighting background isn't good enough to make up for his strength advantage.  There are questions about speaking Klingon, serving on a Klingon ship, etc. that add bonus that are supposed to cover the cultural bonus.  I might make a more explicit one about being raised Klingon.  Later, I will add Human and Vulcan weapons and have questions about those cultures to do the same thing for those fighting styles.
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