So if I want to join this sparing how do I sign up!
 
Cause you know I wouldn't mine joining.
 

Sure sign Crystal Up, I think Metallic would be over kill and too much for the Empires Best, anyways he's a little busy with like 8000 plus Voth Refugees.  

Quote from K`Hare totlh on Nov 17^th, 2005, 12:36am:

 
 
 
*Yells* "Tapez can you enter me, Crystal,  Please!"
 
Thanks for the 411 K'Hare.

Honor is subjective - for one it is really something that depends on a particular player - so the honor is gained or lost in that sense.  It does not matter what others think (because if it that was the case the worf would have not agreed to take the blame and officially "dishonor" his house by taking the fall for the house of duras.

Quote from Ing The Puny on Nov 17^th, 2005, 4:00am:

 
I can't argue with that, but there is no way the program can know the context.
 
So, think of it this way... the audience (embodied by the combat program) does not know all the details of evey character... it just sees the combat itself.  So the honor score from the combats is based solely on actions in the combat, with no ability to know that one or the other fighter is better.
 
EDIT:  I forgot to mention that I changed the way honor is calculated.  Now it works like glory where actions add to a number, and the final reported number is a relatively small one.  So before you would get 30 or 40 honor, now just 2.  The ratio is around 1/20th but its not that simple.
 
The program is what it is.  I could use bios and writing ability and such to determine these values.... if everyone would like me to close down KDB and make my simm be the betleH tourney, a year round thing where only 8-10 fighters are present any given month.... well... maybe I could do it.   So much background and reading and such to doing that.
 
The goal of players at the tourney should be to futher their character development, not to win the combats.  So, this program provides a way to pick the winner from otherwise equal combatants... with a little luck thrown in.
 
Look at K'Hare and K'rahl.  I have run them against each other several times to test the changes I made to the program to make the Ing/Hunter matches be more reasonable.  K'Hare wins everytime, which he shouldn't, OOC.  So I turned on debugging and essentially it comes down to this.  K'rahl and K'Hare, with respect to the program are close in skill.  They have most of the same answers.  But, K'Hare has a rank that is one higher, he has a strength advantage, and he has been to more betleH tourneys.  The first two are obvious as to why they would help... though rank doesn't do as much as you would think.  The third one doesn't make sense in character... until you realize what sparring is.  K'Hare (and Ta'pez) have been to more betleH tourneys, so they have more experience with this sparring kind of matchup.  So it is what it is... K'Hare is better at betleH combat when the intent is not to kill.  Not surprising, in character, since he (supposedly) teaches students all the time.  Granted, Klingons take sparring more seriously, but in a 'real match', the outcome would be decided by the writing anyway.  There is another factor that is not obvious at all and I need to fix it now.  But when I implemented the combat, there is an effect of rounding.  Essentially, K'Hare has a "+1" over Ta'pez and K'rahl because of rounding to make the skill formula match the combat system.  I will fix this by making the combat system have more resolution, but it will be a major overhaul.
 
 
Eventually, I will remove the tourney bonus from the KDB (and other) installs... or maybe tie it to a match type.  I will also add this thing that lets one player slough his skills.  I will also add stamina.  Hopefully things will improve over time but we can't expect the program to get it perfect.  It is what it is, a tool to let players fight with some nod to character attributes.
 
Hopefully you have noticed I have made a few more changes... (will I ever be done?).  The combats now report numbers of hits, misses, blocks, and breaks.  If it isn't obvious, a break is when you 'catch your breath'.   I think the next big change will be something that reduces the combat text... maybe only reports turn summaries?  I still think the play by play is interesting.  I also put in code to give some bonus glory to the weaker fighter.  Eventually, I will put in code to split glory so each individual gets glory for critical hits and blocks.
 
The big change last night came from close examination of Ing/Hunter combats.  No one else saw the match where they both got about 1700 Glory.  What I realized was that once they get tired... they can't hit anything and the implementation of that made the fight run on until one got a critical hit.  What made it was was the code for taking cheap shots.  I put in code to gain honor by making one fighter step back when the other was too weak.  That gives them a chance to rest and get stronger.  When I added the flip side, the cheap shot, I put the code in the same method and what happened, was right after you'd take a cheap shot, you'd step back... allowing the opponent to rest and recover from the cheap shot... which makes no sense unless you are fighting to humiliate  (hmm.... I will remember that for later).  So... honor still makes you step back, but dishonor doesn't.
 
I think this weekend I am going to make a tool to let me look at all the internal numbers of the fighters.  So far, I haven't checked them.  For instance... Mudar seems better than I intended.  T'Lai is better than I would have expected. K'Hare whompped ta'pez more than he should.   So there could be some inequities.  I will make a tool so I can check this easily.   I know it would be helpful for players to know how good they are but I don't want to make a dynamic tool that would let someone crack the system.  So I think I am going to make a page that gets auto updated once a day and simple lists the order of skill of every.   So K'Hare, ta'pez, and K'rahl will be at the top, and in order of skill, but you wont know how far apart in skill they are.   Then it should be easier to see if someone is clearly in the wrong place.  
 
And did anyone notice that I slipped in something so when you accept a challenge the next page you go to is the result?  And in case you missed it, there is a second challenge room.  The other one holds all the retired matches.  Its still in the old format... when I copy the new format over to it, the old matches will be missing the hit/block/miss counts, because those are new.

Yes, it is subjective to the person watching... and the program gives its estimate.
 
 
Oh... a thought I had with all this discussion.  I could make it so your skill was entirely dependent on how you did in the program itself.  That means a new fighter has to work his way up.  That would work for the betleH comp if people returned with characters.  It would work for one simm.  It makes bringing in a new character a pain... how would you ever catch up to the guys who attended every year?
 
And of course, it favors the guy who spends all his time running the program... I guess it would make the game a MUD at that point.

Here's an interesting one... By all accounts I should of lost this one...
 
http://kdb.batlh.com/cgi-bin/db/db.cgi?shipname=challenge&crewman=challenge_ done_1132206099147