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on: Apr 14th, 2004, 6:05am
 


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I did read Ing's new tech document last week and I have some comments.  When I can find the time I will post his stuff here and add my comments.  If those other threads are what he wrote, I will comment there.  I haven't even found the time to read those threads yet.
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Re: Ings document
Reply #1 - on: Jun 16th, 2004, 6:05pm
 


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i think he has some good ideas.
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Reply #2 - on: Oct 11th, 2005, 11:03pm
 


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First of all, I want to know where these dispersion crystals idea originated.
 
Continuing on that, are they natural crystals that are mined or are they synthetic?  How hard are they to produce?  I don't see this a a very Klingon device.  At first glance it seems like they'd go well with a Tholian ship.
 
 
 
 
Next pet peeve.  Cloaked torpedoes.  To ignore the fact that Trek isn't supposed to have money (well, we can just go with resources).  A Cloak is not a cheap worthless piece of equipment that can be tossed around lightly.  No intelligent person would waste a cloaking device on a single torpedo shot which may not even do any damage in the long run.
 
 
 
Ah yes....  Chang's torpedo was not cloaked.  And the reason most Klingon ships can not fire cloaked is power usage.  A weapons system requires power, but a cloak requires a LOT of power.  It has to bend light around a ship in so careful a fashion as to not be noticeable.  That's more power needs than a warp drive.
 
My hypothesis for firing cloaked: The warhead is already got its own power, so that's not the problem.  It's the launching and targeting.  Make the torpedo auto-target ships with a certain hull signature.  Very easy for a torpedo to identify the difference between a Federation hull and a Klingon hull for example.  Then, don't use a power launcher.  Use a chemically-launched weapon.  Something like gunpowder.  Once it is propelled out of the tube, torpedo's computer takes over.
 
Now I know what people will say: gunpowder doesn't blow up in a vacuum.
SIMPLE SOLUTION: Make the torpedo tube VERY smooth.  Make torpedo's hull very smooth.  Make torpedo exact width, height, and shape of torpedo tube.  Pump oxygen behind torpedo.  Ignite with a match, boom, you have a torpedo launch.  Mind you an electronic starter could ignite the system with no more power use than a AA battery, so an electronic ignition could be used.
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Re: Ings document
Reply #3 - on: Oct 12th, 2005, 5:13am
 


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It's been over a year since I read it.  But I will try to answer your questions.
 
Quote from JakeNess on Oct 11th, 2005, 11:03pm:
First of all, I want to know where these dispersion crystals idea originated.

Continuing on that, are they natural crystals that are mined or are they synthetic? How hard are they to produce? I don't see this a a very Klingon device. At first glance it seems like they'd go well with a Tholian ship.

 
Ing knows something about science.  Your tone makes me think you have a reason for asking
 
They are synthetic.  They require significant resources to produce.  The honor of it could be argued either way.  Ing's honor however is clear.  Remember, he was new to trek in such detail when he did this document.  He was taking what he had seen on screen and trying to improve Klingon ships.  He wasn't trying to make tech for Trek, but specifically for KDB.  Someone creating a universe would probably give this defense to a different race.
 
Quote from JakeNess on Oct 11th, 2005, 11:03pm:

Next pet peeve. Cloaked torpedoes. To ignore the fact that Trek isn't supposed to have money (well, we can just go with resources). A Cloak is not a cheap worthless piece of equipment that can be tossed around lightly. No intelligent person would waste a cloaking device on a single torpedo shot which may not even do any damage in the long run.

 
A tank is not cheap... why do we keep sending them into combat?
 
A cloaked torpedo from a cloaked ship would devistate a ship that was not on guard.  This is essentially a submarine shooting an underwater torpedo at a cruise ship.
 
There exists some sort of cloaked or low emission torpedo tech because there are spy probes.
 
 
Quote from JakeNess on Oct 11th, 2005, 11:03pm:

My hypothesis for firing cloaked: The warhead is already got its own power, so that's not the problem. It's the launching and targeting. Make the torpedo auto-target ships with a certain hull signature. Very easy for a torpedo to identify the difference between a Federation hull and a Klingon hull for example. Then, don't use a power launcher. Use a chemically-launched weapon. Something like gunpowder. Once it is propelled out of the tube, torpedo's computer takes over.

Now I know what people will say: gunpowder doesn't blow up in a vacuum.
SIMPLE SOLUTION: Make the torpedo tube VERY smooth. Make torpedo's hull very smooth. Make torpedo exact width, height, and shape of torpedo tube. Pump oxygen behind torpedo. Ignite with a match, boom, you have a torpedo launch. Mind you an electronic starter could ignite the system with no more power use than a AA battery, so an electronic ignition could be used.

 
Firing cloaked is not allowed because it would be too powerful in the setting.  So the theory is photon launching takes power from the ship.  You can't generate the energy to create a temporary warp field around the torpedo with a chemical launch.  Not to mention the fact that it would negate your cloak.   And you make the gunpower explode but putting oxygen, in some form, in the mix.  Not by creating an atmosphere that would burn out your tube when you set the thing off.
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Reply #4 - on: Oct 12th, 2005, 11:53pm
 


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I just was curious to see from where these crystals were derived that's all.  it's just so different from the Star Trek I am used to it surprised me.
 
 
 
 
the torpedo would not be warp propelled.  it would have a rudimentary impulse drive.  Gunpowder, oxygen, and a match is not going to destroy your torpedo tube.  We ARE talking about the duranium and tritanium age here.
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the torpedo could be a long shot lance
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